When Looking Real Replaces Knowing Anything

David (00:00) There's a weird thing happening in politics now where sounding fake is disqualifying, but being unqualified somehow isn't. You can say something completely detached from reality, But if you say it in jeans, shirtless, or with enough bar fight conviction, People hear it as truth. that's the trick. We've built a culture that trusts performance more than competence. looking authentic now beats knowing what you're doing. And once that happens, every institution starts filling up with people whose main skill is making certainty feel emotionally satisfying. This is Strengthen the Nation. Let's go. David (01:12) Hey, I'm David. I've given the better part of my life to the military. I'm also a board certified psychiatrist. Today, drinking Cooper's Craft barrel reserve hunter proof. And this is the last two. So I think it's a good start, Robbie. It's a good start. Rob (01:28) So after a couple of sober episodes from David, got him back in the saddle. is pure the nation. This is how it started. a couple of psychiatrists who also are friends to talk about stuff over a couple of drinks. So I'm Rob. I've got 26 years in psychiatry, board 30 years in the military. David (01:52) Robbie, I gotta start this week with a dramatic reading of one of the most profound quotes I think I've ever come across. Now want you to imagine that the person who's sitting across from you saying this to you has a solemn look on their face. just staring off into the distance. Clearly strong, strong memories. They're lost in this moment. War is ugly. It smells bad. if anybody's ever been there and been able to smell the war that's happened around you and taste it and fill it in your nostrils and hear it, it's something that you'll never forget. Powerful. Powerful shit. Rob (02:28) Yeah, it would be powerful. It would be deeply moving. If it were on a TNT movie at about 2 a.m. and you'd had a little too much and you're just trying to wind down before you go to bed or from an actual vet who served and earned that kind of speech. Instead, it came from the human brass knuckle energy drink. That is Mark Wayne Mullen. David (02:51) Yeah, after being so thoroughly impressed by that wonderful rendition of Rambo, I had to find out how Mark, Johnny Wayne, Mullen had experienced said war because he made it sound terrible. And as it turns out, he is a businessman turned politician. Before entering Congress, he ran a plumbing company that he inherited from his father then later expanded it into a large regional business. built, he did quite over that business at the age of 20 when his father became ill and then later built, well, know, it's like they about the toilet until the shit hits the floor. Rob (03:16) Did well. Yep, lot of money in shedders. Yeah. David (03:28) But then he did build that into multiple businesses and became wealthy well before entering politics and then was elected to the US House in 2012 and served until 2023 when he was then elected US Senate. He does sit on Armed Services Committee. has visited military installations. I think that might be the extent of which his military service ends. He has cultivated a very combative fighter persona politically and literally fought in a few amateur MMA matches years ago. So. I'm disappointed by that, Robbie. I thought Jim Bob Mullen here went to war, but apparently as it turns out, he didn't. He never did. He never served in the military in any capacity other than to say that he understands war. So good on him, good on him. Rob (04:16) He put together some poetic prose to pretend. You know, I hesitate to call it stolen valor. He's not pretending to have had a medal. He's not alluding necessarily to personal experience. He's certainly waxing poetic about a thing that he knows Nothing about. Nothing about. He has no idea what that smell is or what the sounds are. Actually, as I'm talking about it, I'm getting worked up. I'm to challenge him to a And he'd probably accept. David (04:49) I doubt he would turn that one down. does Jonathan Taylor Mullen here matter to us at all? And I imagine it's because he has been selected to replace scandal entrenched there we go, the deposed Kristi Noem, the great Kristi from the ads, to all of the immigrants to leave the country in English as they probably understood and were totally watching sat on a They definitely were time to go. So he'll be taking over for her. Rob (05:01) The post. without a Yeah. You know, and well, and the cool thing is, is that she has now been made an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., apparently. So, you know, what's really cool is the Marvel universe has entered the administration. David (05:28) No, it's entered Turner Classic Movies, I think. That's what that means. I'm pretty sure the Avengers is currently playing on Turner Classic Movies. what I assume, seems to happen, Robbie. Rob (05:39) David, what in the hell is the shield of the Western Hemisphere? What is that? David (05:45) sounds like a made name, we're just going with shield, the don't fucking even know. I'm going to have to look this up. Rob (05:54) Does it have, it's an acronym? David (05:56) Yeah, SHIELD is an acronym that stands for the Strategic Homeland Intervention Enforcement and Logistics Division, Rob (06:06) All the things man just throw the words in David (06:06) was first, but that was in Marvel. and they decided, yes, it's a long name. the acronym of SHIELD. Maybe I'm going to hope that's not really what is going to happen with this because the Space Force logo looks shockingly like Yeah. Rob (06:23) Star Trek. real life starts to mimic movies, I think we all lose a sense of reality to it. Wayne, who we are. Let's go back to our buddy, Mark Wayne. I'm not going to go so low as to make fun of his name. David (06:31) We're talking about idiocracy, right? Rob (06:40) I'm gonna let the audience do let's ponder this guy. who has developed a persona of a fighter. What's going on with him, David? What's driving this individual to, imply that he lived experience of combat. David (06:58) I don't why. you've been hitting ahead enough times. It doesn't occur to you that it's really easy to look up a Senator's bio, in his defense, he does sit on the Armed Services Committee. So. Rob (07:13) How did he get there? David (07:14) I think When he was cowering in fear on January 6th in the chambers, maybe that was the war he was talking about. Rob (07:22) Possibly. David (07:23) There's some good photos of him doing that, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll share this one with you. I you'll appreciate it. Rob (07:25) there are. Public source. Photos of him cowering. David (07:33) Having my adult life in this world, understand why somebody would being in a as painting himself as somebody will fight and all believe the quote was in him in defense of military actions. And so he was defending why not sure how that quote applied really, but he was attempting to defend actions that in decisions that have been made to send people into war. So I guess the best way to say this is, fuck, I have no clue, Rob, why somebody experienced that would walk around telling everyone that he has. at least alluding to the fact that he has. guess he watched Saving Private Ryan a couple of times and then got hit in the head. Rob (08:03) I know, I don't either. I don't either. Maybe, maybe, maybe that's it. I always underestimate, right, I always under, underestimate the power of saving private Ryan sometimes. I might need to rewatch it to give myself several weeks of nightmares again. But, what I can say, spent a vast majority of my adult life, David (08:17) I saw it three times, it was 12 straight hours. Rob (08:34) in the military is that, a shadow of a doubt among our tens of listeners, there's a number of folks who have served in the military. I know this, just statistically has to be true. But what I'll say is those of us who have served, we all come into the military for different reasons. But the way you are acclimatized or indoctrinated into the military or trained, as it turns out, when you're trained to go to war, there's a part of you that actually wants to go to war. Now, I'll say there's also a very significant part of you who doesn't want to go to war. No sane individual. wants to go to war, but once you've been trained to do it, you want to. So those of us in the military, we do tend to mentally divide ourselves into those who have gone to war and those who haven't. And those who haven't feel just a little bit less than those who have. Now, those who have gone to war then divide themselves into those who were there in support positions. and those who were there in combat positions. And the nature of modern war doesn't draw huge distinction that. That indirect fire is indirect fire, IEDs are IEDs. It doesn't matter if you were in a sport position or you were in a combat position. Those things were threats to you individually. But we do this, we make this distinction. And then if you talk to combat soldiers, themselves out into those who are in a combat position and those who are in a primary of the spear special operator kicking in doors doing the actual combat work. And then if you get down to those folks, they continued to divide themselves into those who did high profile missions, high danger missions, and those who did. the other kinds of missions. Now, most people, civilians who've not, they don't draw these distinctions. They don't think about this. They think about people who have served. They see someone in uniform. They say, you for your service. They do those sorts of things. What I'm, I guess, struck by is that you're never good enough. You know, it never is enough. You've never suffered enough, done enough, all those things. What is frustrating to me this, and this is coming combat vet standpoint, I guess, is that his implication was that he knows this. He knows it, he's experienced it. You don't say that kind of stuff poetically. you write it in your book, whatever, but you don't say it poetically if you're not trying to imply were there. And this guy apparently has lost track of himself. He's lost that connection with what's reality, what's not reality. And he laid out this implication he was there and he wasn't doesn't know these things. He doesn't know what it smells like. He doesn't know what the sounds are like. He doesn't know what the aftermath is like. He knows none of these things. I insulting is what I find it. And we're going to probably have to change topics because there's nothing that I can come up with that I find funny about this that he's ridiculous. And now he's in charge of homemade defense. That's funny. irony. David (11:53) I correct me if I'm wrong. He's the most educated person in the Senate. Rob (11:57) I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong. David (11:59) okay. What? What was it then? Least least least educated guy in the Senate. Okay. has but he does. But he But he has a law degree right? Rob (12:01) least least least educated. make that mistake all the You know, flipping the valence. ⁓ he does not. to my knowledge. David (12:15) he does have a strong law enforcement background. Rob (12:18) no, no, no, I think he has a background in plumbing. David (12:19) Okay. He has a wealth of national security experience though, correct? Rob (12:25) know, I think that that's, that's very close to zero actually. David (12:29) but he does have a great deal of security, intelligence, and emergency management skills though. Rob (12:36) Also zero. Also the big goose egg, none, zero. David (12:42) If you've ever Tijuana the tacos, I can tell you that that does create quite the emergency situation. And I has dealt He's dealt with it. So there you go. well, I think then he's wholly Rob (12:50) He may have that. In this administration, absolutely. David (12:57) what'll probably help him is that probably differentiates him from Noem is that he doesn't seem to any... aspirations to self-promote, Rob (13:08) think this is a guy who's in it really for the greater good. you know, no, aspirations to, to aggrandize, himself. I think because someone who doesn't want to aggrandize himself would not go into a soliloquy about what war is like and not have it ever been there. So, so no, no, I think he's pure. He's pure. David (13:31) the saving private run thing. I'm pretty sure you've seen it. Rob (13:34) a really distressing movie. It's hard to watch David (13:36) Well, to segue to another topic since we're talking about people who completely lack any qualification that hasn't stopped them from doing their job, let's talk Maha. Rob (13:48) Let's do that. You know, Maha is fascinating. I it truly is. David (13:52) So talk, Maha. Make America healthy again. Rob (13:56) again. wonder when we were healthy other than when we were underfed and during the depression, we were probably healthier. David (13:59) I don't Yeah, there was that one commercial for Diet Coke the ladies ogling the guy who would wear jeans and take a shirt off and drink a Coke. I think that's where we want to get back men with stuff. Rob (14:15) Yeah. No. Do we want to get back there or does Kennedy want to get back there? Because I think is a Kennedy thing. I think he locked that clearly likes to work out in jeans. our tens of listeners who are fitness-focused and like to work out, I'm sure you're all wearing your Levi's the gym. you're running, when you go to the sauna, sure you're in Levi's. David (14:43) I know I put my Levo's on every day before I get to the gym. find denim in long runs to be quite the combo. skin tight denim. you can warm your coffee up on your lap right afterwards. So just kind of nuzzle it up against your crotch and... Rob (14:45) Yeah. particularly if you the burn David (15:01) I bet the man goes through a lot of baby powder. Rob (15:03) Tons and cream think is secret to success. Anyway, gosh, we could delve into that psychology. Hey, let me ask you this, David. say you're driving along and you maybe hit a bear. I mean, just theoretically, you hit a bear. I know, David (15:19) Okay, you hit a bear. so I'm driving, I hit a bear. would probably freak out. Rob (15:25) huh. David (15:26) put the bear into my trunk and then dispose of it in a densely populated area, with some forestry. would find a park, a dense, what I would not do Rob (15:35) Random. Random David (15:37) is leave the bear in the woods where I found it. I mean, if you hit a bear, obviously you got to transport it carcass to a densely populated. Rob (15:41) Yeah. hundreds of miles. David (15:49) urban area with a park and then leave it there. Rob (15:50) Yeah, yeah, yeah. funny because when I play this scenario out, that's not at all what I would do, but I'm not surprised you do it. it turns out, what you just described is exactly what this guy did. He hit a bear. He transported hundreds of miles to Central Park and then deposited the carcass. David (16:00) That might be a fever I had. Rob (16:15) upset bear in Central Park. Why? Why would you do that, David? Help me with this. need to understand because otherwise insane. I'm crazy. understand the world. David (16:24) Well... No, this isn't a judgment. It's that I think not everybody's prefrontal cortex works the same. That's the, you know, that thinking party brain. I think that things like, Roundworms and illicit substances can really, really alter way that somebody might. cognitively process something like hitting a bear with a car. it really does sound like if I, I think if I called you up and I was like, Rob, holy shit, I had the craziest dream last night. I ran over a bear. you know, as all dreams are, I don't know how it happened, but the damn thing ended up in my car. And I realized it as I was driving through Central Park. And I was freaking out because it wasn't bear season and I definitely didn't tag or anything. don't know how I knew that, but in the dream I knew that. And so fucking got it out of trunk I left it there and then I took off. and I smoke the joint. Rob (17:27) I'm freaking out, man. I'm freaking Hey, this reminds me of a story and I absolutely know our tens of listeners love my stories. So some years ago, I was hiking on the Appalachian Trail I was hiking a very short span of it. David (17:28) Craziest dream, craziest dream. actually was at Jeffrey. Rob (17:45) I did my math. It was supposed to be a 10 mile out and back. I didn't realize is that I was starting out a certain elevation. was dropping to like two or 3000 feet lower. And then I was climbing like 10,000 feet or something like that. So I did this hike I was whipped. I was miserable. And I got out to the five mile point. and I was out of water. There was no water source there. was in a bad way. I had some tactical that just didn't play out. So what I had to do was walk three miles back to the last water source. So I'm coming back, I'm dehydrated, I'm exhausted. I've got blisters actually on both the forefront and the back of my foot. I'm in rock march mode at this point. It's just step, step, step, step, step, step, And I'm totally silent because this is thing I do apparently. came around a corner and out of the periphery of my eye, see movement. and I kind of kicked my leg a black bear comes the brush and attacks me. I thought, shit, This is a weird way to go. And it swipes my boot, puts a big gash down my boot. And then me and this black bear, get the sense of each other. We stare at each other. And I'm there and I've got a pack on and in my mind I'm like, what's the score? You know, what's gonna happen here? Are you gonna You're gonna let me go? What's going on? So the black bear makes eye contact with me. Now, I am utterly exhausted. I am certain I had no adrenaline. I had nothing to give this black bear. So I'm sure he smelled the air and he thought, is a weird scenario. This guy isn't afraid. And I wasn't afraid because I was too goddamn exhausted to be afraid. And he takes off, he runs about 100 meters, climbs halfway up a tree, and then he makes weird eye contact with me. Just weird, contact with me. have to finish this hike. I gotta get to this water source. And there's these cutbacks and every time I'd get to he'd be standing in the middle of the goddamn trail, just eyeballing me. and then he'd run. And then I get close to the water source. And this is the punchline actually. I get close to the water source and there's a group of girls a stream, but there's a pool that they're all in and they're in bikinis and they're you know, they're, having a good time. And I, I, yeah, I yell at them. There's a bear. David (20:07) The storage has got it good. Rob (20:11) there's this, this agitated bear and they may want to evacuate the area. And they said, what? And I said, there's a bear. And they in unison flipped me off and told me, fuck off pervert. At which point I'm like, I don't care if you guys get eaten, whatever. And then the story continued and blah, blah, blah. that loosely associated with this, but you know, ultimately had I hit that bear with my truck, I probably would have thrown it in the back of the truck, driven it to Central Park and deposited because that's what normal people do. David (20:53) No, I think what happened was that that, RFK Jr. arrives shirtless, kills the bear that was stalking you, throws it in a it the back of his car, drives it to Central Park, leaves it there for you, Robbie. Robbie, he did that for you. And that's what Maha is all about, okay? Rob (21:01) with his bare fists. that it. David (21:12) It is all about making America healthy again. Rob (21:15) one bear at a David (21:15) by So you're healthier for it. Rob (21:17) Well, and here's the thing about maha, folks. if were to reverse course, don't know, 20 years ago, maha would be a decidedly left-wing concept. And somehow, it has drifted into a space that it is actually almost apolitical. It's both sides. And I shouldn't say apolitical because it's both sides at their extremes. Now the core of maha is not unreasonable. The core maha is that food is important. And the truth be told folks, we developed as humans in an environment where starvation was the enemy. And we have now persevered. into an food is the enemy. We were absolutely not designed to live in an environment where there's a McDonald's on every corner. a Big Mac, as it turns out, is perfectly designed to stimulate all the things that our bodies need. It's fat, it's sweet, it's all the things. is no doubt that at this moment in time, food is our enemy. Poor diets, bad food choices, that's what's killing us. And I can get behind dietary My gosh, if you wanna be healthy, if you wanna live longer, if you wanna feel better, eat better. it's hard, but eat David (22:42) not eating as much processed food, Rob (22:44) Absolutely. the processed food, folks. David (22:47) things in moderation, new concepts. They've been around for a long time. Eat more fiber, eat less sugar, eat fewer things that have preservatives. it's, right. Rob (22:56) We weren't designed to eat as many carbs that are available. can't go to a gas station and get, whatever gummy, salty, sour things. Yeah, I think we can all get behind that. But what is fascinating to me is grift that has inserted itself into maha. that if they were just, let's eat better people. I'm a convert, it becomes, let's not vaccinate, do these high-end IV craziness, that's where the grift comes in. David (23:28) you start with something that's not sketchy. lower the defenses of somebody by talking about very common sense, reasonable, logical things. And you have your foot in the door then you start to bring this way to create an us versus them. You have the whole workout and jeans thing. a, trust me, not because I come with a lot of knowledge or I come with a lot of experience, but because I'm real, I'm not going to wear this expensive workout stuff that those elitists I'm just going to throw on my old jeans, strip off my shirt. show you my abs, getting in the door. prove to everybody that you're not a not coming at them with nothing but fact. You're not coming at them with scientific research because that's a lead of shit. Who has time to read an article about the benefits of fiber when really what you could be doing is taking this Rob (24:22) that's the elitist shit. And that's what frustrates me about... David (24:25) Well, clearly, that's what's so interesting psychologically is that who you're appealing to, you're being incredibly elitist The reason that people aren't eating the non-processed, non-GMO, non-preserved foods is that it's expensive to do that. They're poor. It's much more affordable to go and get mass-produced, preserved things that can be shelf-stable for long periods of time that have been But this was the same guy that was talking about Rob (24:42) They're They're poor. David (24:57) There's some pretty reasonable rehab places that everyone can go to that are only like $50,000 a month. I don't know why everyone's not going to them. They were fantastic for me. Look, I'm not doing drugs anymore. Well, unfortunately, not everybody can afford it's saying anti-elite. we're anti-elite while we are being extremely elitist. but these are great ideas. Some of them they're just mixed in with very bad ideas like not getting vaccinated. Rob (25:27) The story of public health is that you have to set aside your elitist views on what healthy is. is the truth, folks, and I encourage you to Google it. One of the most effective public health initiatives that has ever been engaged in is the transition from whole milk to 2 % milk. Most people get blue gallon of now. That's not always been the case. The impact of transitioning from whole milk to 2 % milk was profound from a public health standpoint. And that's what we're shooting for when you are the leader of the nation. in terms of public health, it's not these kind of niche, eat this way, drink these things, because the reality is vast majority of our population, they just can't do that. don't have the wherewithal, they don't have the finances, can't do that. when you're talking public health, which is exactly what Kennedy should be talking, you're talking, what are the interventions we can do that we can actually implement into the greater population to make a difference in the bear's scope. And this jackass who hit a bear and transported it hundreds of miles for reasons that even I, psychiatrically, I can't, you know, there's no psychodynamic frame that I can come up with. that he's, yeah, this makes sense. It doesn't. Brain worms and psychedelics, it makes sense there. David (27:02) you'll hear stories like this from people who are manic. Rob (27:04) yes in mania in Psychotic disorders This is the kind of reasoning that you expect You don't expect it in someone who now is in charge of all of the United States public health initiatives. David (27:19) Well, maybe you're being elitist here. Maybe this is the problem is that your expectation for the leadership in our country, especially those who are in charge of large medically based systems should have some kind of background and some sort of credential for that. And I think what we're, what we're seeing here shrink the nation. Rob (27:38) Yeah. David (27:41) is that Dr. Rob is an elitist who believes our whole country should only be run from top to bottom by people with experience. knowledge and trustworthiness. I think honestly, think Rob, I'm, I say we need to put an end to this. Yeah, you're an asshole. You need to stop that, okay? Just because somebody's brain was eaten by a worm or just because they have demonstrated chronic poor decision making throughout their lives and have no medical background or Rob (27:54) Yeah. I'm the asshole. I'm the asshole. David (28:14) evidence they're doing the knowledge that they present is correct other pretty damn good in a pair of jeans. think Rob (28:23) He looks great. David (28:24) especially for his age, all that we need now. What this country needs to become healthy again to listen to somebody who has that kind of courage, okay? Rob (28:26) man. wear jeans without a shirt. actually, in your diatribe there, struck on something. It's a narcissistic approach to public health. Every time he does a video, are they communicating to the people, to the public? You know, zero, nothing at all. They're communicating he's fit. They're communicating he likes to work out. They're communicating a weird narcissistic message out to the community about him. community health is actually going down to the core of who we are as a society, what their struggles are, and what changes that we can make. as a society in order to improve the overall health. It's not, know, hey, go get involved in CrossFit. That's stupid. That's not gonna work. It's not drink whole milk because a vast majority of people who are eating Cheetos who drink whole milk are also not contributing to their health. These incredibly elitist perspectives. David (29:45) Rob, I'm disappointed in you because not only are you being elitist assumptions, but you're also when you start talking about public health and how people can't do things like afford expensive. Rob (29:49) Ha ha ha. I- that's not- that's boring. David (30:02) rectal and saunas and $150,000 red light elitist letting people have what they want, which is fantasy, that if they that, that they will also like shame on you. Shame on you, Rob (30:02) Saunas saunas David (30:22) Shame on you. Rob (30:24) Shame on me. Yes. my God. Letting people believe that there are beds out there that they can lay in and that it's going to take all the toxins quote unquote out of their body and make them healthier and make them live indefinitely. You're right. You're right. I am being elitist and, David (30:41) Yeah, stop it. Stop it. Shame on it's interesting. it is really funny when you break all this stuff down, the people who are really jumping on this, and it makes sense. if they touted our show as either being helpful or super unhelpful, it would help us greatly just by having our name put out. into the mahasphere, right? Having so many people despise us or love us, would at least get eyes on us. But it's interesting you already said it, but it highlights this crazy intersection far, far left hot yoga, people that you would Yeah. These are the people you would expect to see in like Malibu driving, know, $250,000 cars we've never heard of, to pick up their kids after they got their yogurt enema for the day. and they're mixing it with Rob (31:19) RAGE YOGA! David (31:34) Appalachians, and they never in the past would have ever considered even listening to it. And up until the point that he decided to just take Trump's offer of dropping out of the presidential race and then endorsing him, he wouldn't have listened to him we live in such a crazy timeline. And what I think it is, Rob (31:47) Yep. David (31:53) figured it out as we were talking is that. when you were that bear killed you. And the rest of us, this world that you live in is... This is just, yeah, either it killed you or like you're sitting dying somewhere on the Trail. And this is just, you have just continued to live in this weird fantasy that we're all suffering through. And I just want to say, fuck you, Rob. Why are you doing this to us? Rob (32:05) Lost. This is the lost scenario. Purgatory. Yep. Yeah. David (32:25) Why do the rest of us have to suffer through this weird fever dream of yours that this now? Because was going pretty damned well until that bear thing and then it just went off a fucking terrible cliff. Terrible cliff. Rob (32:29) That's a question. It was. It was. Yeah, bear thing was 2018. So David (32:43) So they weren't going super well, but they were going. They were going. now, this is what it is. I think this is what's happened. Rob (32:46) There we're going. Well, all right, to our tens of listeners, I'm going to sincere apology that you have been ensnared in my dream. I am going to actually go to bed tonight hoping that it's And all the shit that we have lived through just really a manifestation of my own David (33:13) It's really sad that I kind of hope so too, Rob. I kind of hope so too. I hope that you wake up and we're all back in 2018 and we can just go, for the love of God. No. Rob (33:16) I did too. No! But coming back to maha, because I, you know, as much as I wish that, I wish I could just go to bed, have a heart attack, it ends. You guys get to move on with your lives normalcy returns. The maha dangerous throws so many webs out. that if they were to stay focused on eat well, eat non-processed foods, can respect it. It wouldn't work as a public health policy. because telling people what they need to do has never worked. because that's not how biology works. That's not how psychology works. What we crave is what we crave. What we want is what we want. But if they could just limit it down to that, what makes me feel like this is a grift is that what they're proposing is so many things. the average actually implement. And beyond that. It's not public health. Public health is what can we do actually impacts everyone David (34:28) I agree. sad thing is going to be that damage that's being done isn't easily measured the downstream effects over time are going to be, exponential. We just won't. really see that other than, measles outbreaks and young children dying and stuff like that. But it's because it's not hitting home for a lot of people. they're not fully understanding how, how detrimental that's going to be. And we really won't for many, many years. it's the breaking down of systems that were built over time. And the truth is, and I think we can all agree that they weren't perfect. always been flaws to the CDC, of Health and Human Services. There's flaws to those systems. but they were at least steady. And if you wanted to change them, which by all means, let's make adjustments and make things better over time, doing it wasn't by blowing them up and sowing distrust into people's minds on otherwise largely successful public health initiatives. Anyway, think Rob, this has been a very sarcastic-laden episode. Hopefully people understand that a lot of what we were talking about was incredibly tongue in cheek. the dry humor of With that, Rob, do you have any prescriptions? Rob (35:38) Yeah, I do. do. Markwayne Mullen must choose whether he is a senator a monster energy a security clearance. Every Republican eventually produces one guy who looks like he wants to settle a budget dispute in the parking lot. Strongman vibes are not policy framework, they're cardio for people with unresolved father issues. That's my primary one. David (36:06) a good one. I agree. I'm going to say that you and all of us, we need to do our next workout in jeans. I think everybody, everybody needs to slap a tight, some tight fitting denim on, rip that shirt off and really have a great workout and understand how good a workout you can have in a pair of jeans. Rob (36:12) hahahaha Some denim. David (36:27) You get extra points if they're cutoffs. Get some Daisy Dukes on. get that crotch super hot and sweaty, and then completely ignore science 24 hours. Rob (36:35) You want that crotch really swampy. David (36:37) major swamp ass going. Rob (36:38) You know, you just stimulated me. Maha must stop confusing nutrition with salvation. You don't heal a nation by turning food labels into purity rituals. The second broccoli becomes the morality identity, you've built CrossFit with federal letterhead. The point is public health is not salad-based personality disorder. David (37:03) true. Well, to sober up. Rob (37:05) No you're not. You're gonna get asleep. David (37:06) am. going to sober I'm going to get us some sleep based one does. Thank you, Maha. I'm going cut this episode into something listenable. So I'm excited for then and then I'm going let our listeners know that right now we do not have an episode planned for. Rob (37:17) Good luck. David (37:24) the 17th. So if you don't see it, it's not because Rob died. It might be it might be because he died and he's going back to reality. Maybe, maybe not. it's because we're we're going to take an episode break and then we're going to be back on the following week. Rob (37:30) Ha ha ha! That that Yeah, it has nothing to do with that bear finally getting the best of me. Nor has it anything to do with us giving up on this whole David's a jackass. David (37:50) if we can do an episode, even if we can do a short one, we will and we'll try to get it out there. So we'll see. It really depends on what our look like. But if you don't see anything on the 17th, don't worry. We'll be back the next week. for sticking around, everybody. Appreciate all tens of our listeners. We are very appreciative that anybody even gives a shit what we... Rob (38:02) We will. David (38:09) have to hit subscribe, hit like, share with your friends if you can. And that's about it. So we're gonna keep that music and step on out. See you in a couple of weeks.