When the Grift Has Paperwork

David (00:00) You know that weird feeling when something looks obviously wrong, but it's happening so openly that your brain hesitates to call it corruption? A paper bag in a parking lot makes sense. The flow chart doesn't. On July 4th, when the country tells itself stories about public duty and sacrifice, we're looking at what happens when public office gets treated like a private asset. and why disclosure can become less like accountability and more like a receipt for the grift. This is shrink the nation. Let's go. David (01:07) Alright, Robbie, we are back. I'm David. I've got over 20 years in the military. I'm a board certified psychiatrist twice over. And today, I'm gonna correct a major flaw in my plan last week. to drink the old crow last. We were doing science, Robbie, and my hypothesis was completely failed. Com the the null hypothesis was true. I was dead wrong. You don't start with the good stuff, apparently. you're gonna drink a whole shit ton of it. Yeah, maybe that was the problem. See there's these factors confounding variables. Yeah. Rob (01:37) I was in concurrence with you, you know? That first sip always tastes like gasoline. So I kinda thought that you were gonna get yourself to a point where that old crow was not going to be that distasteful. work out that way. David (01:51) I was just wrong. Now, again, we maybe we just need to play around with this a little bit, work out the different variables that go into this, but I think it's gonna be like amount and time but I'm gonna go backwards today. So I've got three bourbons. Number one only in the order that I'm drinking them, is Crow eighty six, which is old crows. older brother, So this one is an eighty six proof old crow version that I think was Aged for three years, sitting in my liquor cabinet for another one, so at least four years. I'm pretty sure this is just old crow that's been sitting in there. It is plastic. Rob (02:25) Is that plastic? David (02:28) yeah, I think per gallon it costs less the gas. I think if you pull up the label on it, there's an old crow label underneath it from just like last year's stock or something. they're like, it's time. We can Rob (02:27) That's classic. David (02:39) But we're gonna start with Old Crow 86. Then, whilst I was selecting my other options at the liquor store today, I came across this beauty, which is what I think is yeah, it's like a four-gallon bottle of Evan Williams. And it is actual glass, but it says commemorative edition and America 250. Rob (02:48) Collector's item. David (02:59) In red, white, and blue. I'm pretty sure this is Evan Williams with a fancy label. But I don't know. It doesn't really say that it's not that. So that's why I'm assuming. But it gives a nice little statement here about America's two hundred fiftieth anniversary. So I thought, what the hell? let's drink this. It is July fourth anyway. Rob (03:18) I agree. You know, nothing says and you've got the Evan Bottled and Bond there too. David (03:23) I'm I'm are you announcing what I got? I'll you announce what you fucking got, you asshole. Rob (03:26) Sorry. All right. You showed it to me. David (03:28) Well and finally I got the Ebon Williams bottled and bond, which is gonna be my closer tonight. We're gonna give this one a try. Bottled under US government supervision. So you know anything that's been done under US government supervision is aces, just aces. It's the top. So yeah, that's the order I'm gonna drink We'll announce it as I change. Rob (03:40) Mm-hmm. It's high quality. Yeah. Yeah. l let me warn you, y you're closing with a one hundred proof bourbon, so just you know, go easy, my friend, go easy. Hey everybody. is Rob, long time in the military, long time in psychiatry. Only one board though. David Wins. he's doubly boarded. and this evening, I had just a little bit of the Evan Williams bottled and bond left over I don't know. I guess I've had the bottle for about a month now and tonight's the night that the bottle got emptied. David (04:15) Yeeha, All right, well, why bother with the America 250 version of Evan Williams, which is probably just Evan Williams? because today is America's birthday. Happy birthday, America. 250 years. You made it. Rob (04:16) Yeah. David (04:26) just perfection as a country, no shadow. Rob (04:29) None. None. David (04:30) But no, actually, I kid. this is the day when America tells a story about public things. Public sacrifice, public trust, public office, public duty, public honor. and so the stories that we're gonna talk about this week it's what happens when those public things get converted into private assets. And that's why we're recording today. It's not gonna post today. Nobody's gonna hear it on the fourth. in fact they'll probably be quite sick of the fourth by the time they listen to it. But you know what? It's the fourth right now. So you might even get to hear fireworks going off in the background. You might get to hear some terrified fucking dogs hiding under my chair. But here we are. So you ready? Rob (05:06) I'm ready. I'm stoked. you may or may not be able to hear it, but there's a lot of fireworks going off outside. I do have noise canceling headphones on right now, thankfully, because I was getting a little sick of it. felt like a crotchety old man, just mad, mad at the world, mad at kids out there, hoping someone blows a finger off. David (05:25) Somebody will definitely blow a finger off, but just shaking your cane at the kids in the front yard. all right, so This segment today is brought to you by Robbie's OnlyFlags, the Internet's least erotic Fourth of July subscription service. For just $17.76 a month, you can watch Robbie celebrate America the only way he knows how. Standing next to a grill, holding a sparkler, and whispering, Is this corruption? Or do I just not understand crypto? Premium subscribers get exclusive content like Robbie slowly reading a financial disclosure form until he needs to lie down. Or Robbie trying to look patriotic in sunglasses he clearly bought at a gas station. In our most requested video, Robbie finds out the grift has paperwork. This Fourth of July, don't subscribe to OnlyFans. Subscribe to OnlyFlags, because nothing says independence like watching one man lose faith in democracy in cargo shorts. Rob (06:12) A for the record folks, I don't wear short pants. I refuse. And I'll tell you why I refuse. I'm a fucking adult. adults don't wear shorts except when they're running or working out. David (06:23) The short pants. such an old man. Rob (06:24) I didn't do carter pants. I am. I am. I'll wear it. I'm fine with it. David (06:30) Yeah. All right. Well, okay, so Robbie, this week We all learn together, I know you were shocked because you texted me almost instantly, just incomplete and utter astonishment. That it turns out, everyone put your drinks down and I want you spitting into your windshield. Donald Trump and his family. Have made billions of dollars just in the last year I'm gonna pause for a second to let you kind of compose yourself because he still looks surprised. you okay now? Rob (06:54) It's a big deal. two billion. with a B, two billion dollars in his financial disclosures. mostly from friggin' crypto. and that crypto was a meme coin, that basically carries his likeness. interestingly, he made two billion and the investors lost pretty much everything that they had put into it. So None of the money he earned was actually from the meme coin. It was from the licensing fees for the meme coin. So he made $2 billion. Everyone else lost money. And he did it through the office. And it is apropos that we are taping on the Fourth of July because the Fourth of July wasn't necessarily about independence from Britain, it was about rejecting personal rule. So our founding and mothers, as imperfect as they were, as a world class study and hypocrisy that they may well be, they were really capable of high minded principles. And they were terrified of monarchy, patronage, corruption, hereditary power. foreign influence and public office becoming a private possession. and everything they designed, and again, were they perfect? No. there was some like world class hypocrisy involved, but everything they designed was geared toward minimizing those risks. And basically the idea that office is a held trust it's not an owned thing and you shouldn't profit from public service this administration has reestablished a bar this is what prompted me so I saw that public disclosure and I immediately texted you and I said all right this is what we have to talk about this week because it is grift at a level that I don't think our brains can actually comprehend. when there's a ten thousand dollar cash money transaction wrapped in a brown paper bag done in a Motel 6, we get that. We can understand that. and we're outraged by it. But when the president of the United states makes a billion dollars off of the office, his likeness, right out in the open. It's difficult to comprehend. when the president's sons are engaged in tungsten mining in Kazakhstan, when the president's sons start a drone company and enter into the military industrial complex with a one point one billion dollar contract, we can't. And the thing that I want all of our listeners to think about was how much of this last election cycle was dedicated to the Biden crime family and Joe Biden's son, and the money he made. Now, did he make money off of his daddy being president? He did. He made millions, I don't know how many millions, honestly, off the top of my head. David (09:41) Yeah. they accused of about twenty seven million. It wasn't really clear, but it was in that like yeah, eight million to twenty seven million, so we're somewhere in there. Like it was I mean it's it's a lot of money, yeah. Rob (09:47) It's lot of money. They have made billions with a B. we're talking a factor of ten or more money off this. And they're there largely because they made the argument that the Biden crime family was profiting off of the office. So I thought, you know what? We have got to talk about the psychology behind this. both the psychology of them feeling entitled to do such things and the psychology of us almost being impossible to wrap our heads around it. David (10:23) what's interesting to me, is that the moniker, the Biden crime family got put on let's just say all the Bidens, for the actions of the one son. not to excuse the behavior, because that's obviously not okay. but that gets used as an excuse for all of the dealings that have been going on with the Trump family. since the first presidency. not even the second one, but the first one. I don't know that it to me it's necessarily about the hypocrisy. I think they're both wrong. the scale of which is kind of atrocious either way. if anything you might make an argument that whatever Hunter Biden was doing during his father's presidency was chunk change and kind of little league compared to what the Trump family had been doing in the first presidency and then we get to the second presidency and that's just exploded into something more. but what you bring up is maybe even more important. the fact that it's so much. It's this unfathomable amount of corruption Rob (11:18) The scale's mind numbing. David (11:19) and it's not just the money. it was how, right? It was the action to it, it was who's involved, and it's ongoing, right? It's not just the fact that the amount is so big and it is so big, but it's an amount that we can't even fathom the amount of money that a billion dollars is, much less multiple billion dollars. But it goes from it's the Biden crime family because Hunter Biden was doing things that just weren't kosher to every member of his close circle is involved in these things. and that's what we know about. that's what we're aware of. That's all we can really talk about is what we're seeing. these dealings are crazy. he took his first flight on the Qatari bribe jet, and you can't count that in the financial disclosures, but what did it cost the American taxpayer to retrofit that jet into something that is suitable for the president of the United States because it wasn't cheap, I would assume and I'm as I'm guessing it was more than the twenty seven million. Rob (12:08) One billion dollars. yeah, he touted this as a gift. It was a gift. and made the argument that, why wouldn't we take a gift? it's gonna save the American taxpayers four hundred million dollars. The plan itself was four hundred million dollars. Great, awesome. But then we took control of it and we had to retrofit it to be Air Force One. And as it turns out, the retrofit cost is estimated to be right around a billion dollars. that's with a B, that's nine zeros. so it wasn't a gift. And here's what's even funnier. He now is saying that it's his. And he's gonna take it with him. and he's saying he wants to take it with him to put at his presidential library. but I fully expect he'll fly around in it as a, eighty three year old man. so it's now his plane. It's not a gift. It wasn't a gift to the United States government. we invested a billion dollars so that he could take it with him, which whether that'll come to be, who knows. But yeah, that's a massive grift. And it is right in keeping with the grift of, say, the ballroom. I'm doing this, and me and my friends are gonna pay for it. wait, no, I need four hundred million dollars more. it's get your foot in the door and then demand more. and it is such a ridiculous pattern that again the dollar amounts are mind-numbing. we can understand money in a paper bag. that's concrete. We get that. we're designed to identify cheating on a scale of Bill down the street took my vegetables and didn't give me the right amount of money. we're designed to understand cheating on that level. We are not designed to understand this cryptocurrency grift because it requires like an org chart. to understand it's massive and it's complex. the family has been estimated to have earned 2.3 billion dollars on crypto and crypto as early as two years ago Trump is on record saying crypto is a scam. He said this in an interview crypto is a scam. it is meaningless it is worthless it stands for nothing, it is not real, it's a scam until he saw the dollar signs. And when the dollar signs became so obvious, then it became an opportunity. David (14:33) I think what you're saying, what it comes down to is that because it's not simple to understand, it's not simple to even talk about, even for us to explain why is this a grift is so difficult that it's easier to just not see it that way. There's a partisan perspective to this for some reason, but if you just want to accept it and move along because you want it to not be true that it's a grift, then It's easy to overlook as being something that's probably not right because it's so complicated. And it's that nuance that goes into it that makes it really, really difficult for anybody to understand it. I mean, we hear it and we're like, Whoa, that's not good. but even to get down to the fine details and understand we don't know all of the details. we know his financial disclosures for that year. we know what he made on crypto. we don't know how much. His campaign pulled in. We don't know what the government spent on things that he's going to try to hold on to. and as an aside, it would be really interesting to see the next president. If that president were not in alignment with Trump, set up an executive order to make sure he doesn't get that plane. But it's easy to look at shady deal in a parking lot and go, Okay, that's not right, because why would they do it in a parking lot? Our minds are are just wired for that. It's so simple. Rob (15:55) Well and that's been kind of the genius is that so much of the law breaking has been done out in the open and it confuses us. I've seen these things and I know when they happen and when I hear about them, I think that doesn't sound right. That doesn't sound legal. But the fact that it's out in the open confuses me just enough that my brain can't even lock onto it long enough to be outraged about it. And this cryptocurrency thing is fascinating to me because it's like the perfect instrument for modern political grift because even the money is embarrassed to call itself money. it's not real. So It is perfect for political grift in this modern world. I'm outraged, but I find myself laughing about it more than being angry because I just my brain wants to just leave my skull and walk itself down to the corner bar bathe in bourbon. David (16:51) you bring up some interesting points and I wanna break them down if I can. I've finished enough Crow eighty six now that I may struggle to do this. In fact I just poured some of the Evan Williams commemorative edition America two fifty and I'm gonna try that out. Rob (17:05) I like Evan Williams. David doesn't. David doesn't. David (17:07) It's it's s smooth. my god. That's for wow. Rob (17:11) David, that has it has the perfect level of pain for me. Perfect. David (17:16) Yeah, that is wow, well good for you. That is not great. It's okay. I'm gonna we're gonna get through this. We're gonna get through this together, Robbie. You and I. I'm gonna get this one down. Rob (17:24) like heading into combat. we just gotta keep our heads on a swivel and we'll get through this together. David (17:24) Whoa, that's rough. Yeah. my god. That's It has just the just that right amount of cat anus, I think, flavor to it, I assume. Yeah. Anyway. okay. God, that just that just Rob (17:35) Stay frosty, David. Yep. Just just stay frosty. David (17:40) Just bathed my brain in GABA. Just anyway. Anyway. So what you you mentioned, if I can remember, God the hippocampus just got cleansed of anything that was actively happening. Okay, what you said was that you watch this happen and it's just so difficult to wrap your brain around like why is this illegal? and it got me thinking that this is how Psychopaths speak. in this way that really confuses people. And this has this feel to because they lack of fully functional amygdala, a fear center, in a Robert D. Hare defined psychopath is what I'll call it. So Robert Hare being yeah that's what I'm gonna do. So Rob (18:19) Define define that for our for our tens of listeners who probably David (18:23) So Rob (18:23) aren't read into Robert D Hare. David (18:25) They probably are not, so Robert Hare was not the first person to speak about psychopaths. Hervey Cleckley was the first person to write about psychopaths in a book called The Mask of Sanity. Later, Robert D. Hare, he's a psychologist, wrote a book called Without Conscience that spoke about his interactions with psychopaths. the term psychopath is not an accepted term within the DSM V, the Bible that psychiatrists use. But Robert Hare very much believes in the psychopath, and it's this intersection between sociopathy, which Psychiatrists would just call antisocial personality disorder. And criminality really is kind of the intersection that Robert D. Hare would would probably considers it. There are other authors, other people who have written about psychopaths. Kevin Dutton has done so as well. He writes about them much more favorably. There's an author by the name of John Ronson who actually wrote the book The Men Who Stare at Goats. And he wrote a book called The Psychopathy Test and it's a lot more favorable towards psychopaths. and they're all very good. They're all great reads, by the way. I'd definitely read if you if you're interested in the topic, read them. Rob (19:32) I I I highly recommend yeah going back and reading Cleckley's The Mask of Sanity. it's nineteen forty one, interestingly, when it was published and you kinda have to read it because it's just multiple case examples. but it really highlights how a patient could present as rational, as charming, as socially intact. David (19:41) Mm-hmm. Rob (19:52) and completely be lacking in any deeper emotional integration, remorse, or genuine moral understanding and how they can break the law right in front of you with a smile on their face and then be surprised that they get caught because they do it right out in the open because they do not have that integrated moral compass. David (20:13) yeah, and the more modern studies have looked at psychopaths because while they make up a relatively small portion of the population, they make up a very large portion of the prison population. So something like twenty-five percent of prisoners would be considered psychopaths per Robert Hare and his PCLR which is the psychopathy checklist that he created. anyway, the point is one of the things that he talks about is that psychopaths have this way of speaking to you and lying right to your face, even to the point that what they're saying contradicts something else that they're saying. But because they lack And we'll just say amygdala function. I mean, there are other parts of the brain that are hypoactive with a psychopath that lead to this, but essentially the amygdala is the fear center of the brain, but because they don't have the fear that they're going to be found out by the things that they're saying, they don't express any of the typical things that we would expect to see when we're talking to somebody. They don't look to be nervous. They don't even express the pheromones that somebody might have when they're lying, when they're making things up. and so when you were talking about how these things are just being done in the open and our sensors just aren't going off. Well, that's exactly what psychopaths do when they're talking to you. One of the examples that Robert Hare gave was that During an evaluation with one of the psychopaths that they were talking with in prison, they asked him, Hey, are you a violent person? And he said very calmly and collectly, No, not at all. I'm not a violent person. I mean, I've stabbed a few people in the face every once in a while. I've murdered a couple of people, but I'm not a violent person. Nobody would call me that. but the person who was interviewing them, it didn't raise the hairs on the back of the neck. it didn't compute to them. That what was being said was just contradicting even the case study history that they had on this person because of the way that it was being said. It just wasn't triggering Rob (22:09) let me tell you a quick story of up close and personal engagement I had with a psychopath. so when I was a young young psychiatrist, I was maybe less than two years out of residency, I took a moonlighting job out of prison. It was a shitty job. it was really a bad job. But they paid well. And you know, I coming out of residency, I had a ton of debt and I wanted to catch up. But at any rate, the job was three hours away from where I lived. So I got up at like two in the morning and I started work at like five AM and I'd work until like seven PM. And then I'd drive home. So made for a very long day. And I just saw psychopath after psychopath in this prison, the medical unit, for whatever reason, they stuck me in the back. There was a little office that I was in and I didn't have like supervision, I didn't have like a guard standing there with me. And I was sitting in my office and it was a pretty little office. Really wasn't set up well for my safety, not even a little bit. Like I was trapped in the room. The door was beyond them. at any rate, for the most part, these were mostly people who had pretty severe substance use disorders, some relatively profound psychiatric conditions. and didn't really trigger much in the way of a fear response from me. in fact, I historically have engaged pretty well with that population, so it fit. go figure. so one day I was seeing a gentleman who I'd seen before, and he was working me for Xanax or something, And of course in a prison environment they frown on such things. We don't use them much. and in fact, in general practice, there's a limited sliver of utilization for those sorts of things and I don't use them that much. But he was working me and I was like, no, I'm not gonna prescribe it. And he went from being really quite charming and almost jovial to this incredibly serious look on his face and he said, I could kill you before anyone would know you're dead. And I realized in that moment that there was a threat. 'cause before that I just didn't have any recognition of it. and all of a sudden it clicked in my head that this could be a serious situation. So first off, I thought, you know, well, it's a hell of a thing to put on tombstone, you know, died in a moonlighting gig at a prison. I quickly was like running through my head, it's like, all right, I'm dealing with a sociopath, what do you do? So I paused and I maintained eye contact with him the entire time, and I said, and I could kill you. before they could get back here And then there was this really, really long silence in which we made like intense eye contact with each other. I don't know what was going on in his head. In my head, I was virtually on the edge of panic, but I maintained my psychiatry face. And then he burst out into laughter and said, I like you, Doc. he said, You're not gonna give it to me, are you? I'm not. And he's like, All right, man. And he got up and left. David (25:05) I think you had probably one of the more pleasant experiences that's the great response. I'll have to use that the next time what you just described, Robbie, was a scene from Seinfeld where Elaine was talking to a phone company technician. She said, You know, I could have killed you and no one would have known. and his response was, I could have killed you and no one would have known. so yes, that was a Seinfeld episode. Rob (25:28) life imitating art. David (25:29) It is. I imagine the Seinfeld thing happened after your thing, so maybe art was imitating life. Yeah. Rob (25:33) Well after. Or no, no, it was well before. It was well before. Yeah, 'cause w what I'm talking about ha probably happened in right around two thousand and five or six. David (25:44) then you were copying the phone technician. Rob (25:46) Maybe, maybe. David (25:46) 'cause she was the one who threatened him first and he responded. Rob (25:49) I don't I don't David (25:55) Anyway, yeah. this great story. But the Rob (25:50) Your encyclopedic knowledge of Seinfeld has always stunned me. You're you're not at the right age. David (25:58) So the reason it is just we we Rob (26:00) dude, we should dedicate an episode to stories from the prison because I've got like eighty David (26:05) we should, yeah. Maybe we will. the reason I bring that up, not to accuse anybody being a psychopath. that's not for me to decide. I've done no clinical interviews. the reason that we struggle, those of us who are maybe not psychopaths with these conversations with them. is just that because we're so used to reading people, those secondary characteristics that come up when somebody's lying to us. that sixth sense that you kind of get, it's not a fake thing. I mean, really, there are observations that you make when somebody is speaking. You may not consciously think about it, but when somebody's lying to you, Their behavior will typically be the tell. It will be the giveaway. And so in these situations where somebody is behaving abnormally, they're meeting in the parking lot of a Motel 6 in a car, and somebody's handing them a brown paper baggie full of of $10,000, they're projecting the illegality of it. Rob (26:57) Same. David (26:59) They're doing the Rob (26:59) Yeah. David (27:00) yeah, exactly. That's perfect. The shame. They're projecting that this isn't okay. I am actively trying to hide it from you. But when that person is no longer trying to hide something from you and they're doing it out in the open, our brains just don't have that filter anymore. We're not looking at it as if it's something wrong. When somebody behaves normally while they're doing something abnormal. We're confused because we're looking at something fucking weird. But we don't know why. We don't know why it's weird because they're not telling us that it is. There was this wonderful video from I don't even know how many years ago. But it was basically a pop Warner football game. And what happens is all the little kids are in their full on football uniforms, they're lined up. they're ready to snap the ball. And what happens is the quarterback taps the center on the shoulder. The center turns around and hands him the football, not between his legs, but just gives him the football. The quarterback takes the football and this starts to march out like he's counting off five yards, as if he were one of the referees. Calling him penalty or something. he walks past everybody. like he's counting off five yards. And he gets to the five yard mark and he fucking takes off running. Cause nobody else is moving. and he gets a touchdown. And it's because he played it perfectly. Nobody thought what he was doing was weird, even though even as you're watching, you're like, what the fuck's this kid doing? he's marking off five yard penalty. against the wait a minute weirdly enough, Robbie, when you ask why are they able to get away with this? I think it's just that. because they're treating it like it's normal. They're treating this behavior like we've always done it this way. And the rest of us are going, well I we guess it's okay because they're not hiding it. Rob (28:45) it's funny. back in my football days, we had a similar play in which we would do something very, very similar, which would basically play on the other team's sense of how the system worked, we only trucked it out maybe once because once you do it one time, the other team's looking for it, So we maybe used it once, maybe twice. but it was very, very similar in which we did what everyone expected and then we did it in a way that no one expected and the other team didn't know what to do. they couldn't wrap their head around what in the fuck is going on here? I don't know. So no one did anything and yeah, we scored a touchdown on it. and that's what's happening. that's the perfect analogy and I'm glad you brought it up because that's exactly what's happening. Our brains are trained to understand a system and this is how it works. And if something illegal is happening, it happens in the dark, in a parking lot, where prying eyes cannot see it. But if it happens in the open and it involves massives amounts of money it can't be wrong because it doesn't fit with our sense of how the world works. And that's what's happening. And there's so many examples. that's the thing that's just stunning. And up until now it's been touched on. I think this last week the media has put a lot more energy into looking into this, but the plane, the tungsten deal, The drone deal, the cryptocurrency, this is not how it's supposed to work. This is not how in the history of our government this is supposed to work. And you take shamelessness plus this. And this is what you get. And I think psychopathy is the right angle to look at. psychopathy is actually the psychological angle. This is psychopathy at the highest level. And it's so massive that it's not just confusing. everyone has been at a Dollar General or some store or just whatever little tail and store and watch someone do something that your brain's like, I don't think this is right, but I can't really tell what's going on right now. and this is magnified by a million times. David (30:58) think you just invented something and we gotta talk this out because what you just said you just invented systems psychopathy. Rob (31:06) System psychopathy. I invented it. David (31:08) we gotta write a white paper. God you just nailed it. And it's not about one person, it's not about a psychopath. It's about a system, it's about an institution, it's about markets, it's about media, it's about voters who are behaving in a way where There's just no conscience where there's no shame, there's no restraint, there's no duty to repair something, there's no felt obligation to the public for the thing that's being damaged in that moment. And it's not one guy acting poorly, it's everything around. Wow, you just blew my mind. And I'm halfway through my Evan Williams America two fifty commemorative edition. Rob (31:43) before we invest too much into this idea, we do have to take into consideration that you're working on you're probably I'm looking at the the extent of the bourbon in those glasses and I don't think we're working on two drinks. I think we're working on four, maybe five. David (31:59) Because I am drinking out of my Shrink the Nation branded Shrink Responsibly Tumblr with our Shrink the Nation's Shrink Responsibly Seal website and American flag because America. And you just picked on something because we see psychopathy. We see it all the time. We see it in the prisons, we see it in the boardroom, we see it in politics, we see it in neurosurgeons, we see it in pilots, we see it in special operators. Psychopathy is and this is Kevin Dutton territory, people by all means read Kevin Dutton's work if you want. I recommend going in this order. Hervey Cleckley, Robert D. Hare, Kevin Dutton, John Ronson, in those orders, just kind of read through what they had to say. Kevin Dutton is a great palate cleanser of Robert D. Hare's very pessimistic viewpoint on psychopath. John Ronson being a little bit too apologetic in my book, but he's an excellent writer. Excellent writer. But Rob (32:51) I agree. I yeah. David (32:54) What we've not seen is this systems psychopathy. this is awesome. fuck an A. Rob (32:59) Well and in keeping with that, we cannot lay this entirely at the feet of a single man. it is his family. and I have no illusions that he's the mastermind of all this. In fact, I I doubt he actually is entirely read in on all the things that are happening. They're happening in his name. David (33:16) You are you are you thinking that the eighty year old man any idea how to use crypto to grift people out of their money? I honestly think that if he were fully aware of just who was being grifted out of their money with his crypto, he might might. Rob (33:20) Yeah. I don't I I don't. David (33:39) might not want to do it that way because the people who are getting ultimately fucked by his crypto company are his supporters. And even he is smart enough to know that there is only so far he can go before people start to fall off his wagon. Rob (33:49) They are. interestingly when he was asked about it, he's like, I don't know anything about this, but if I did, there's nothing wrong with it, is what he said. about this. And I I believe that, actually. He knew nothing about it. he has a group of people around him who are engaged in this grift in his name. and I think that's accurate. I think his sons probably are more actively engaged in the grift than he is. but this tungsten deal in Kurzakhstan Kazakhstan it also Kazakhst Kazakhstan, thank you, thank you. I need someone to translate for me. that David (34:26) Казахстан I speak fluent Appalachian I'll translate for you. Rob (34:34) Yeah, absolutely. it also involves Ludnick and his kid. they're involved in this, and Ludnick he's out doing all the treaties. He's our point man, him and Jared. Not Jared from Subway, guys, the other Jared. I although arguably I think Jared from Subway is probably more famous. David (34:55) Maybe. so he's the commerce secretary Rob (34:57) More well known. I don't think anyone knows what actual the Jared whatever his name is, Kushner. I still believe his voice sounds like Gilbert Godfrey, 'cause I don't know if I've ever heard him talk. David (35:02) Kuschener? if I'm going to be famous for anything, Robbie, it will be for having never heard Kushner or Ivanka Trump speak. No idea what she sounds like, no idea what he sounds like. No idea what she's I have no idea what she sounds like. Rob (35:18) I've s I've heard of Vonka. I've heard of Anka. I've ne I've never heard Jared. Jared Jared's involved in some high level shit. and that's grifty, actually. that's institutionally grifty. that he is involved in the things that he's involved in as Questionable. David (35:36) yeah, questionable. we'll go with questionable. What I find fascinating about this, other than all the other things I find fascinating about it, because I find a lot of things fascinating, because I like the word fascinating. Sometimes I use the word interesting. Rob (35:47) It's it it's fascinating. David (35:50) what I find really fascinating about it is that when you think about what is it that makes this so difficult for people to understand, I think where you naturally go with it is that because it's out in the open, because it's being disclosed. it seems like, well, that's okay. There's lawyers involved and everything else. And I just don't think that's the reason, Robbie. Like I don't think the reason. Yeah. No, I I really think it's because we just don't have the capacity to understand this level, the amount of people that are involved, because this is a system that is basically just Rob (36:11) Because we trust the lawyers. David (36:25) continually rewarded behavior. it encourages it. And because there's no repercussion in this moment, it's all good. We're fine with it. In fact, we struggle to understand. And maybe part of it is there just aren't specific laws on the books that say you can't do this because it's just never been done before. It's fascinating. It's interesting. Rob (36:49) And it's tragic. we're pretty deep into this episode. we didn't really even David (36:52) We're into Evan Williams bottled and bond now. That's much better. That is a much better yeah. Rob (36:56) it's it it's solid. a solid rye, hundred proof, so you you get a little more burn than you normally would. So David (37:05) It doesn't have the aftertaste that these other two. Yeah, it it just has a cleaner taste to it, which is weird to say of any bourbon, especially a rye, especially a hunterproof, but it's just cleaner. I wanna call this day two. Rob (37:08) yeah, yeah. David (37:20) of the reflecting pool compared to day three of it being refilled. it's not pristine, but it's not as bad as it is currently. So and that's what I started. Rob (37:24) Well, I think it's tragic we didn't get to talk about another grift, which reminds me of Trump steaks the Trump cell phone. that's another massive grift. David (37:41) yeah. At what point do you blame just because his name is on it and he's selling it? There was Rob (37:48) responsibility of the the jackasses who bought his meme coin and the jackasses who bought his phone. But finally we have a phone plan for people who think that five G is Chinese mind control, but still wanted an unlimited data plan. it's hilarious because, initially it was like made in the USA and then eventually they changed it on their website to Made with American values in mind. And apparently American values is a gilded phone made in China. That's American values. David (38:16) not even sure. It's not even gilded. Just yellow. It's a yellow phone. Rob (38:18) No, it's just it's just painted it's painted simulated gold. it's what happens when Radio Shack dies and then becomes a political action committee. David (38:26) Who's your writer? okay, so the last thing I want to talk about before we go there were two things that occurred that are kind of adjacent. Rob (38:33) I definitely want to talk about these. David (38:34) We have to. this week active duty Air Force Major Jason Watson was arrested while participating in a protest calling for the impeachment of our president and our vice president while he was at the Capitol. and it's a tough story because you have a gentleman who was expressing his first amendment rights, but he was doing so in the uniform and he is an active duty service member. Rob (38:52) I in uniform. Yep. David (38:54) the reason that major Jason Watson was arrested wasn't because he was in uniform. He was arrested because he was on house steps Demonstrations are not permitted to be on the House steps unless accompanied by a member of Congress. Now Representative Al Green had initially accompanied him and the rest of the people protesting, but then he left. And so after he left, Police basically gave him a lawful order to end the demonstration or relocate, and he didn't. that's why he was arrested. So it was not because he was in the military. Why this is a big deal is because he was out there protesting in uniform, which Everybody in the military knows. You may not pr you may not say bad things about the commander in chief as a member of the military in uniform. You do have the right to free speech, but you may not use your position in the military to do that. Rob (39:52) Yep. when you show up in uniform you convey the message that it is you as a service member with the weight of being a service member, with the weight of being a major in the United States military. I'm not faulting the guy for having an opinion, I'm not faulting the guy for voicing his opinion. I am faulting him in being in uniform. he could have put on civilian clothes, he could have went, he could have voiced his opinion, he could have protested, he could do a lot of things. but good order and discipline does require that you do not carry the weight David (40:19) Started a podcast. Rob (40:27) of being in the military as if it's an official opinion. David (40:31) Yeah, we've all known that. it's not a secret. The Uniform Code of Military Justice pretty clear. I imagine that no matter what, he will not be out of the woods. I can't imagine though, Robby this is one of those situations where I think he will pay a price he will pay it for several years. and then he will probably be pardoned at some point down the line. I don't know when, but it will probably have to be when there is a president who is not the person that he was actively demonstrating against in office. They'll probably now, do I think that's the right thing to do? Not necessarily. I think he knows the rules, and he broke I can say it's admirable for anybody to put their neck on the line for what they believe in. and for that, I think, you know, good for him. Honestly. I would love to have a conversation with him and kind of get what his I would love to get him on the show. I mean, there's a lot of people I would love to talk with. Rob (41:21) Let's get him on the show, buddy. Let's do it. well David (41:26) But I don't necessarily agree with his method. this goes into that category of really what we're talking about, which is that just because you do something that you agree with doesn't mean it's necessarily the right thing to do. And, in many ways he may not appreciate that I think that what he did was wrong by being in uniform. I think Rob (41:42) So David (41:46) By all means, man, show up to the protest. but don't show up in uniform. You know, it's Rob (41:50) No. And and th this carries a little more weight to me, maybe than others and and I'm sure some people probably think it's a like a I don't know, an exercise and moral courage or whatever. But I have served under many at this point, many different commanders in chief. And I'll take for example when when I was at war. I had opinions and I had well formed opinions. and I diverged from maybe what the commander in chief believed. that did not free me from my obligations. and it did not free me from the lawful orders that came down. And there's a certain point where protest actually gets in the way of the job, the duty, the things you have to do in order to protect the soldiers on your left and your right. and this guy should have never showed up in uniform. he just should not. If he wants to voice an opinion, fine. Voice it as a civilian citizen of the United States. Don't voice it in uniform. and this is a guy who stood up there And in my mind, was being a martyr. And I don't have much sympathy for him actually, at all. and yes, to our tens of y listeners, it that probably diverges from what your opinion of me might be, but David (42:55) I have I have sympathy for him as somebody who felt that a situation was rising to the point and I think the story brings attention to something beyond Rob (43:11) well, having been with you during the that phase, you were thinking of a more honorable and personal sacrifice to express that that wasn't public, wasn't for public consumption, it was something you were gonna do personally. so I still I don't have any sympathy for this guy. David (43:29) Well, I don't I don't agree with the way that he went about it. I can understand and I think part of it is the way that I have to think about it 'cause there's there's conflict there in my own mind, for sure. There's definitely conflict. there's big conflict. I mean one I I obviously don't agree with this administration. I have Rob (43:38) there's a definite conflict. David (43:43) the ability of more freedom. I know what the rule is and I wouldn't be willing to violate the rule as far as going in uniform and making statements as an officer in public. but at the same time I can appreciate why if and I and again I don't know his story and maybe that's a part of it. And maybe that's what's missing is I I can to be black and white Rob (44:03) When when did you get empathy? David (44:05) I know. It's something I I woke up it to the six year Rob (44:07) It's it's the six drinks that you've had. Listen, here's the reality. And I imagine some of our tens of listeners have served, I imagine, just statistically speaking. But here's the reality of being a service member, is that when you sign up, when you commit to that cause, you are saying that you are going to do your duty as a service member. That doesn't mean you have to agree with the politics ever. you don't get that luxury. Once you sign up, you no longer have the luxury of agreeing with the politics. you take lawful orders, you follow lawful orders, and you do your goddamn best. yes, on the ground, there are often situations in which you have to make a call, and sometimes they're hard calls. and we're trained for it, we're educated to do it, but ultimately you take orders. And when you stop taking orders, that's when soldiers get killed. and everybody who I know who has been in combat and has been sent out on a mission that they thought, This is fucking stupid. This is dumb. This was designed to just get me killed. you have that experience. You know it. I mean you know it. You know I'm doing something that's dumb, that's not gonna serve a purpose, but you still have to do it. And because when you start second guessing, it doesn't just protect you, it actually puts everyone at risk. So I got zero sympathy for this guy. I'm sorry. I don't I don't throw the David (45:31) Well well and that's fine. I mean I don't know that I expect you to have sympathy for him. what I would categorize it as again, I don't know what his story is. other than knowing that what he did was explicitly not okay from the military perspective, Rob (45:48) Yep. Put on a pair of jeans and a T shirt, you're good. Put on your uniform, fuck. Not so good. David (45:53) Not so good. From a from a perspective of somebody who is potentially witnessing unlawful orders being played out, and that might be a different story. But the thing is, in my career I wasn't well I Rob (46:04) There there there's a chain of command and there's a there's a mechanism to deal with that. David (46:10) There there is, but it but you know, and I think maybe that's part of is that it doesn't always work. And so again, and I don't want to give excuses and that's I don't and that's because that's not we're here for, but I guess I could say is a person who stands up and says I've had enough, yeah, they're gonna pay a price and that's what's gonna happen. that's just how it goes, you know, hopefully down the line. I mean Chelsea Manning? was pardoned by Obama at some point, Yeah, I think what you see is what's the ultimate harm that happens from what this person does? I think at the moment it's obviously well you're doing something wrong that's forbidden. and you're gonna have to pay a price for that in the long term, was what you're doing Rob (46:34) Yeah. I mean David (46:51) really all that harmful. it is in good order and discipline because when you see a major active duty who's doing this then the fear is that your younger airmen, your younger soldiers, your spec fours are gonna go out and do the same thing. And that does create a problem. And so will he be made an example of? Absolutely. Absolutely. Rob (47:11) He will be. And and listen, you never give your spec four mafia an excuse to do crazy shit. You just don't. David (47:20) in all fairness, this was an Air Force officer. nobody in the army's gonna be like, Well, that's a fucking good idea. No way. No way. Rob (47:24) Well, I mean, psychologically there there is a a valid point here, which is, what does moral action mean when the role restricts the form of moral action you can take? and I get that. And it is part of being in the military. It's just part of it. we all have to deal with that kinda every day that there's so many things that happen when you're an active duty service member that you don't agree with, it doesn't give you the right to not do it. you signed up, dude. This was a volunteer force. You signed the fuck up. David (47:57) Well, yeah. the question isn't free speech versus military discipline. It's that we need to understand that these are two legitimate commitments and that they can collide. And so it's this is yeah, and unfortunately for him, he chose a path that most people don't. Rob (48:08) They do. They often do. David (48:15) he decided that his commitment in his mind to the Constitution overrode his appreciation of it. that's the area that I think that I don't agree with is that you can say I have a duty not to follow unlawful orders, which is true. And I'd say to have the courage to disobey Rob (48:16) They don't. David (48:37) Unlawful orders isn't a right, it's a responsibility of every military member that's there. But Rob (48:44) I agree. You do it you do it in private though. David (48:46) but it is a lawful order to say don't show up to a protest in uniform, dude. it's an unlawful order to say kill these people who are not combatants. That's an unlawful order, and that is an order that I would proudly say fuck the hell off. Rob (48:52) Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. we have an obligation to not follow unlawful orders, immoral orders. The cost is private. The cost is you stand up and you take your lumps and you take the hit privately. You don't do it publicly on the steps of the the capital. So anyway. David (49:23) okay, so the last one is that Donald Trump made i it's my least favorite one for reasons, but what Donald Trump had s made a Rob (49:26) It's my favorite one, actually. I love this movie. David (49:34) It's said that he made a joke, but he opined as he often does, about giving himself and one of his sons, or maybe both of his sons, medals of honor. and they were gonna have a and they were gonna have a threesome. can tell you that I threw up a little bit in my mouth. Rob (49:43) Yeah, 'cause they were gonna do it threesome. It it was all it was threesome. David (49:51) Whenever I read fact that he's even suggesting that he might do this worries me that he will actually do this if nobody prevents him from doing it. And so far I've not seen anybody with the testicular fortitude to tell him no to this point. And the thing is, I don't know if anybody out there has ever read Rob (49:52) This one got you. Citation. David (50:13) Citation. So if anybody has ever read a citation for a medal of honor, They're difficult to read. not because they use big words. but because when you read through them, you realize the sacrifice that this person had to make the moral decisions, the selflessness, just the opposite of Donald Trump that goes into earning a medal of honor, which often leads to dismemberment, death. horrendous, horrendous things. Rob (50:42) the official terminology is acts of conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity performed at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty. David (50:52) let me read you one see what you think of somebody like Donald Trump giving himself a medal of honor feels like. and I apologize to everybody, but if I get through this without then I deserve another drink. So I wanna read this one. this is from my god, this is a child. this is from Corporal Jason L. Donham of US Marine Corps during the war on terrorism. four conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while serving as a rifle squad leader, fourth platoon company Kilo, third battalion, seventh Marines reinforced, Regimental Combat Team seven, first Marine Division reinforced on fourteenth, april two thousand four. Corporal Dunham's squad was conducting reconnaissance mission in the town of Karbala, Iraq When they heard rocket propelled grenade and small arms fire erupt approximately two kilometers to the west. Corporal Dunham led his combined anti-armor team toward the engagement to provide fire support to their battalion commander's convoy, which had been ambushed as it was traveling to Camp Husaiba. As Corporal Dunham and his Marines advanced, they quickly began to receive enemy fire. Corporal Dunham ordered his squad to dismount their vehicles and led one of his fire teams on foot several blocks south of the ambushed convoy. Discovering seven Iraqi vehicles in a column attempting to depart, Corporal Dunham and his team stopped the vehicles to search them for weapons. As they approached the vehicles, an insurgent leaped out and attacked Corporal Dunham. Corporal Dunham wrestled the insurgent to the ground and in the ensuing struggle saw the insurgent release a grenade. Corporal Dunham immediately alerted his fellow Marines to the threat. Aware of the imminent danger and without hesitation, Corporal Dunham covered the grenade with his helmet and body, bearing the brunt of the explosion and shielding his Marines from the blast. In an ultimate and selfless act of bravery in which he was mortally wounded, he saved the lives of at least two fellow Marines. By his undaunted courage, intrepid fighting spirit, and unwavering devotion to duty, Corporal Dunham gallantly gave his life for his country, thereby reflecting great credit upon himself and his and upholding the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and the The United States Naval Service. I mean and tears my what Rob (52:57) What was he? What what was he? me too. what was he? Twenty twenty, twenty two, twenty one? David (53:03) He looks like he is all of like twelve years old. Rob (53:06) Yeah. this is the story of someone who earns the Medal of Honor. You don't win it. it's not a lotto. you earn it. You earn it. with your blood, you earn it with your courage. you earn it because you care more about the people around you than you care about yourself. David (53:20) what's important isn't just that. in order to earn this, there's nothing to be gained. There's no audience. There is no branding. There's no personal benefit. It's this instantaneous decision to sacrifice yourself so that others can live. And Rob (53:26) Nothing. David (53:37) only one percent of the citizens of the United States will ever serve in the military. an even smaller percentage will be put into a position that that's a decision that they have to make or even would make. And so to me, to earn the medal of honor is it shows a level of bravery in self sacrifice and a willingness to die. By all means, please Look up Jason Dunham. Look him up. And I'll make sure we link this on our website too. But he's just a child. He's a kid. I've lived twice as much as he has, at least. At least. Rob (54:12) when I listened to this on the news, I laughed. I laughed. in the context of hearing about and this isn't necessarily on brand for us, we like to make fun of things. I can't make fun of this. you talk about this kid, you talk about what he did, and then you think of this eighty year old man who had bone spurs, who avoided service, who's going to give the medal of honor to himself and his two sons, neither of which meet the criteria, not even close, it demeans the award that the award is really and this is the thing, And you nailed it, that these people are making decisions in a moment that they don't think it through. It's not an opportunity to weigh the pros and cons. It is at their core that they are going to protect the people around them, even when it costs them their life. And they don't hesitate because they can't. They don't have time to hesitate. They don't have time to think it through. They just do it. That's what the Medal of Honor's for. It's not so Donald Trump and his sons can have a threesome. Which is fucking weird in and of itself. the terminology was just weird. other than that you're an eighty year old demented man, I don't know. I don't know. But David (55:24) Would you say that? Yeah. No, yeah. Scat threesome of the sons. Well Rob (55:31) It's a threesome, baby. you know, and I'm gonna leave it to our audience to think where does Eric fit in the threesome? where's Eric? what's his role? I'm thinking human centipede is what I'm thinking. David (55:43) I yeah. God, you I'm gonna have night I'm gonna have nightmares. I'm gonna have to drink more. Rob (55:45) my God. Yeah, there's only one solution to this one. Let's drink more. at any rate, folks, go to the web. read some of these things. seriously, go read some of these citations. they're breathtaking and there's one of those things that you can't help but question. What what would I have done? I speculate for most of us. probably not what they did. Probably. we'd like to believe it. it is offensive at the highest level that there was even a joke, even if it was just a joke, that he was going to just go ahead and award it to him and his boys so they could have a threesome. I mean if they want to have a threesome cool. Well not cool, weird David (56:09) Yeah. No, it's Yeah. I mean Rob (56:26) Do it. Whatever. do it in the White House, do it in the Lincoln bedroom. David (56:29) he's already built a UFC ring on the front lawn. they don't give a fuck about yeah, They can have their threesome. I always wonder you know you go through life, Robbie, and you think about Rob (56:32) Decorum. David (56:40) There's gonna be these moments where it's like the last time. You know, you're gonna come across like this is the last time gonna do something, X, Y, or Z. Like I'm gonna just get too old. I'm not gonna be able to do this. Yeah. and when you're younger, you just you never think, that's the last time I'm gonna do that. Rob (56:51) Everything. No one ever knows the last time. My God, if we knew the last time, it would probably not be the last time. David (57:04) but I still wonder I think like at some point Donald Trump is gonna do last thing that I find just completely incorrigible. he's going to finally draw a line in the sand for himself that even he can't cross. And when he made comment, joke or not, about the Medal of Honor, I realized not yet. he hasn't hit his final time yet. Yeah. Rob (57:31) two point three billion dollars in crypto. Not the last time. joking about the metal honor, not the last time. Something has to be the last time, dude. It has to. It just has to. David (57:41) it's gonna get there. I don't know. But anyway, so all right. we've had a long discussion. I'm God, there's so much more we could talk about these to be honest, but we'll leave it at this. We're gonna hopefully get this down to an hour. Any prescriptions, Robbie? Rob (57:55) do I have a prescription. All right. Americans must remember that disclosure's not a shower. A conflict of interest does not become clean because someone itemizes it. Politicians must understand that filing the paperwork is not moral absolution. just the receipt. David (58:12) Mine is gonna be that every American is gonna get a laminated wallet card that says if the grift requires a flow chart, it may still be a grift. Rob (58:21) It's still crap. David (58:22) Screen binder to everyone. All right. Rob (58:24) I'm with you, man. David (58:25) So as Robbie has experienced with our new tumblers that we're both enjoying our bourbon with, I encourage anybody go on our website, shrinkthenation.com slash merch. Pick up a tumbler. they're pretty cool, honestly. I really like the design. they're very nice tumblers. drink along with us, you know, have a bourbon. make light of some of the stuff if you possibly can. grab a shirt. 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